Christopher Leon 0:00
I'm going to put all this in my book bag because I'm from the streets, the air. Yeah.
Boom, what's going on? It's your boy ambition. And here we are with another episode of the MYFB podcast. And today I have with me for the first time on the podcast, a musical guests, right. But what is very interesting about this musical guest is he's actually distributing it seems like he's paying very close attention to his business. And he's so well aligned with us because his musics authentic, authentic as fuck, actually. Right. So with me today, I have a very special guest, Christopher Lyon. And hopefully god. What's going on, bro? Hopefully, I didn't, you know, shorten your accolades by calling you a musical guest or calling your artists bro. But
Christopher Leon 0:51
no, it's perfect.
Hey, um, so you just dropped the album. Go ahead, tell our listeners the the name of the album and where you got the concept?
Christopher Leon 1:03
Yeah, um, my name is Christopher Lyon. I just dropped an album yesterday called we're all healing. And it was an album that I made a few months ago. Whenever I was just really, really going through a mental crisis. Definitely having an existential crisis. And there had been a certain amount of events turn of events that that had gotten me there, I'd recently lost friends had recently lost loved ones, a girlfriend, you know, my job, the pandemic could have saw all of that. And I was just I was stuck in the house by myself. Going crazy. And, and I just needed a way to, to get it out. Just to get it out, because I was I was feeling it. And so I came out with this album. It's called we're all healing and it best describes what I was going through while I was writing it.
Yeah, row. So for the listeners, if you go on Shopify, if you go on title, and you get a chance to listen, right, not not if you when you go and stop when you go on title. Because I do think this is an album that everyone should listen to, as I was sharing with you earlier, before we got started, it definitely helped me. I was listening yesterday, right? And I'm not gonna lie, man, I was listening in preparation for the podcast. And I was just thinking, Man, this is a really fucking good album. Even just starting off with track one, right?
Christopher Leon 2:39
I love that song because it's just real. And it the entire album is real, is without fluff. Um, you know, you as you mentioned, you were dealing with that trauma. And you had that alone space. How do you feel that that space alone and, and having to face your traumas? Because what it seems like is, you know, isolation really puts you in a space where you had to face your monsters. On, you know, hopefully, you are now on the other side of that being on the other side of that. How would you describe the experience? Was that a positive experience? Was a good to get out, get that off your back for all of these years? Or is it more just something that you're still dealing with still maintaining and building yourself back up?
Christopher Leon 3:32
Yeah, that's a good question. But it's a I would like to think that I'm totally on the other side of it. But I don't think that's the case. It's, it's more like a It's not like, it's not like I wrote all this and then all of a sudden, everything is better. It's more like a I feel this way. And this is why I feel this way. So it's, I mean, it's something that, you know, I mean, like this album is brand new. So I still feel all these things. I'm just telling you how I feel. It's the only thing. And so yeah, with with trauma trauma came about because last year, right, I guess Yeah, right. Before the pandemic, I had gotten into therapy for the first time ever. And I was trying to, I got into therapy just because I was like, I'm out of options. What am I what am I going to do? I'm fighting with my girl, everything's going bad. I'm feeling crazy. I gotta like talking to somebody. So I went to a therapist. And I was like, you know, you've seen all the movies where like, no one opens up and all that stuff. So like, if you're gonna do this, like, like, just go do it. Like go do it. Like go in there and say everything. Don't try to hold anything back. So literally, the very first time that I went into therapy, I told her about all my childhood shit, all like all of it, all of it. And so like the song trauma is the kind conversation that I had, like with my therapist the very first time. And that's why, you know, Joyce who plays my therapist, like, that's the reason I had her is because like, that is real. And that's like where this started, you know,
man, that's so beautiful. And, you know, it reminds me of my journey with mental health and therapy. The first time I went to therapy was 2016. And no, just to share with you, bro, I was in the military, you know, much looking much different than I live now. No drugs, right? I was cut clean shaven. Right, lean and mean. And I look like, I look like a strong man. I look like a young, strong man. That's so fucking resilient. And I'm on a run. And I just stopped running. It hit me like a ton of bricks. Boom. What? Why are you even doing this man, your father's dead. You're never gonna have a father. Right? Like the thought just popped in my head like, whoa. Like what? Sprite was on my shoulder to say that right? And I stopped running. I like I literally couldn't run out. So I literally went from being a dude that did an 18 minute, three months of just, I don't feel like doing anything like the Depression hit me. When I finally went to therapy, and it was, you know, it's more than just my father passing away and all that. But then when I finally went to therapy, I agree what you said, just go in there and just start saying everything. Because I walked in with this attitude like, Yo, this ain't me. I don't know what's going on. Fix it. Right. I went in, like I was telling her that she should fix my problem. Yeah, you know, um, so here we are. I can say now, what are we? Six years later? No. 777? You know, I said 2016. Sorry. So, five years, six years? Yeah, five years later. So my five year mental health journey after therapy, meditation, mindfulness, all those things. That's actually why I picked up hypnotherapy bro. So in the space that you knew me, because, you know, for our listeners, we met in clubhouse. So when you heard me talking about hypnotherapy, it was just as much about my healing journey as it was everybody that I was helping, because that allowed me the space to know the patterns, as well as what was going on in my own mind. So that you're right to say, you know, while you've addressed it, it may not be over, man, it takes time, but it does get better over time. It's calm under pressure. But, bro, I look at you, bro. You're, you're actually very strong, very resilient. I listened to the songs that you had. Then we were just talking about this bro. Shame. Right? Yeah, that one quote in shame. I'm a king. I'm a god. I'm a fucking right. Man, I related to that. Right? And I know sometimes we have these statements. And you know, you go man, I'm a fucking piece of shit. And people go oh, no, you're not. You're a nice guy. You're so handsome. Right? They're running up to you. They're like, Oh my God, you ginger Drake. You? Anybody ever called you that? Of course. Oh, I love it. I so like, we we go through all of these things. You start getting real with yourself. Like, bro, I related to that because you got to embrace your bat. Right? You just got to embrace it. You got to wear it like a like a badge like I've been through this. You get on me. Trauma is something that you you've been through you You survived that you on the other side, bro, you you're not the same person that you were when you were going through all those things. But just the fact that you accept it, bro. The fact that you can say a statement like I'm a king, my God, I'm a fucking piece of shit is admire yourself twice. Be real with yourself once. You'll never end up being those billionaires that go. Am I surrounded by yes men. Right? Yeah. Right. Because that's such a lonely place, but with authenticity, I've never like being authentic ended my loneliness. If that makes any sense. It really ended my loneliness. Because there was it wasn't that I felt like I was lonely. It was that I was alienating a part of myself. Right? That was there. Right? And once I was like, Yo, I I got certain bad behaviors and I know how I can get but I said that about myself and I'm gonna do my best to make sure that I control that. I understand why I did these things. I'm not upset with myself. I'm not shaming myself. But yeah, I'm not I'm not not always the best dude. Right? So I just wanted to let you know, man to man, that's something I respect.
Christopher Leon 10:06
Right. Well, thanks, man. I really appreciate that, sir.
Um, and I think that's also a big deal too. So, because you put out an album, much like a, a Jay Z 444 album, right? Or Beyonce lemonade album. It's one of those albums where it's just so fucking wrong. Right that you can't help but to love it because it's real. It's the it's really what you're going through. So when you wrote that line, I'm King. I'm a god, I'm a fucking piece of shit. What what inspired that? Right? What inspired that? And are those three different ways that you feel about yourself? Is it you know, your, your cycle? Or what does that mean? Yeah,
Christopher Leon 10:55
it's so I mean, my my mindset is, and you can tell throughout the album, but I'm like, but also me in real life. I have like real arguments with my ego. A lot. Like, there are times. I mean, I for real think that I'm, like, so fucking talented. I think I'm like, so good. I really do. And, also, I'm like, You really aren't. Because there's so many people who are like, so good. You know, like, there are people who are so good.
Yeah, but, but their greatness doesn't exclude yours, right? Like both are true.
Christopher Leon 11:33
That's, that's true. And that's a good way to think of it. It's just the just the internal monologue that I, like, have with myself all the time. It's just, you know, when it comes to the talent when it comes to me being a nice guy, I know that I'm a loving guy. I know that, like, my friends know that. They're my friends. I know, you know, I like I love heart. And I know that but also, like, I've been like an asshole. I've been called like, arrogant in My Life multiple times, you know, I can come off my, my tone is off. I'm, you know, making people feel a certain type of way just because of the way that I'm speaking to them. You know, and it's like, I'm such a, I'm such a nice guy. If you ask any of my friends, they're like, Oh, he's amazing. He's so nice. But it's like, also, like, I can be an asshole. I can come off as an asshole. Or, you know,
do you know any? Do you know any assholes that, like, haven't gotten far in life? Like, all of the successful? were assholes.
Christopher Leon 12:30
I mean, yeah, I mean, Kanye is my spirit animal. So like, I get it, but, but even. Yeah, no, that's true. That's true. That's true. And then whenever it comes to, like, big things, like, you know, in life, like, you know, I do think I went through something. And I was taught so many things, and there are so many things that I did that I will never do again. But the fact of the matter is, I still did those things, even though I'll never do them again. I still did those things, you know. And it's like, A, it's just a weird balance have forgiven myself for that. But also, like, I, I can't forget it, you know, and I will let myself Forget it, I guess, you know,
and listen, bro, that's, if you ask me all the niceties and all those things about you. Right? Like, as a person, this is who I've become, I could give a shit less about those things. Right? When I meet people, I don't care about how nice they are, or how you know, the nice things that they do I care about how much they accept their darkness. Right? Um, and the reason I say that is because it's happened to me time and time again. And I've noticed this one pattern. When I'm around people who don't accept their darkness. They don't accept that they've done something wrong, either. True, do I mean it's true. And everybody has some level of darkness? So, you know, I'd much rather be around someone like yourself who's dealing with it, who's aware of it, you can go like, go bro, you use me in a day. You got me or you will sit you sound like the type of person you will be like. I mean, think about that. run that through the analysts. You'd be like, Yeah, I was being a dick. But I also think that that's, that's being real. You get what I mean? We I think over time, we've watered down what realness is. And people think that in order to exist amongst people and to have community you got to pretend to be one way outside of your home and a different way, you know, inside. But I ask yourself, why be fractured? You go I mean, I don't know about you, but I can say I've lived a lot of my life being a fractured person, you know, going home being one way because there's such strict rules, and then going to school being another way because I have a little bit of freedom. joining the military and being told this is how I need to be there joining corporate and being told this is how we behave here. And then feeling like all of these things just seem so not me. Right. So I think that's a part of it, man. And I'm glad that she's somebody who's a whole person who hasn't fractured yourself. Or if you have their fractured, you just said, Hey, here's the pieces, right? I know what a hole looks like. So definitely, I respect that. Thank you. Um, as far as you know, being an asshole and doing all the things. Do you feel that? Because you've done something wrong that that shame that that guilt is something that you need. Do you think that shame and guilt is necessary? Or could it be? No, much like myself, I'm very apathetic on wrongdoing. I'll like I'll admit that it's wrong. But I'm not gonna sit there and be shameful. Like, you want me to feel remorseful, like, what? Like, I don't understand people wanting you to feel bad. Yeah, you go. I mean, I feel bad. I can't, I can't fix the problem. I can't be like, Man, my bad. I'm sorry. I didn't know what I did that. That's, that's different. That's not shame. That's acknowledging wrongdoing. But when people go, they're yelling at you and all these things. They want to shame you. So do you think that the shame is necessary in order for you to accept yourself wholly? Or is that just a byproduct?
Christopher Leon 16:33
Yeah, I don't think No, I don't think you have to have like shame in your life. I would advise like, against that. I don't think it helps at all. The problem is just the way that I think about things in my head. It is that it's just how it is for me. You know, like, I live. I live with like a, like regret. It's just heavy on my mind, you know? And so I think that, you know, other people can like, work through that. And that's what I'm trying to work through. But that is like, what is happening right now is just I feel, I feel it. I've forgiven but I haven't forgotten, you know, and the memory is like strong enough that it's, it's still potent, you know,
listen, bro, I forgive but I don't forget, right? I'm definitely a grudge holder. Right? Like, if you are somebody that I guess I got to put it into perspective, I'm a grudge holder, but I'm also I can't be bothered, right. So if given the opportunity to get some get back, yes. Right. Like if I see the opportunity, I'm gonna take it, but I'm not gonna go out there seeking it out. Figure if given the opportunity, then this is just something the universe wanted the universe I don't know about that one, buddy. But okay. Let's say you know, your neighbor has been sealing your packages, and all of a sudden you get a package sheet door with their name on it. It's a Christmas Yeah, I get the order. He ordered a ton of gold. They go oh, I ordered a ton of gold. Have you seen it? Yeah, man. I haven't. Haven't seen anything. And I'm not even gonna put it in my house. I'm gonna put it in a safety deposit box at the bank for sure.
Christopher Leon 18:22
Right, I get you I get you. Yeah.
So I mean, like, but as far as like, regret goes and remorse goes. Holding on to grudges is one thing that I do. But regret never regret never made me make improvements. You get on me and one of the things that I find, and I'm not sure if it's the same for yourself as well, it could be it couldn't be the same. It could be very different. It makes me heavy. Right? Like I literally can't do anything until I've expressed those feelings. But my work my purpose isn't surrounded by these feelings that I'm having. My work is surrounded by, you know, helping people work through their feelings. So, you know, for example, your album helped me work through my feelings. I'm gonna recommend this album to any everybody right? But at the same time is man if you were living in that space all the time, do you think that you you wouldn't be able to get things done? Has that regret and that shame been? You know, harmful and negative to your progress?
Christopher Leon 19:39
Yeah, so the thing with the thing that I'm still trying to figure out what this album is like for for me personally for my mental health, was this album good for me. And I I honestly don't have an answer. Yet. And the reason being Is because making this album was the hardest thing I've ever done. And, like getting through this album is still the hardest thing that I've been doing. And. And so like, when it comes to the album, it's like, like I was trying to say earlier, I'm telling you how I feel right now, but just because I'm telling you that, it doesn't mean that I'm through it. And so like, that was just an exercise for me to, you know, a lot of people would tell you to, like journal is good for like, your mental health and stuff like that, you know, like, just right now. And so that's what the album was for me. Like, I was just trying it. Like so many of my friends were like, You got to go out in the sun, look at the trees, write down all your feelings. And I was like, Okay, and so I did it wrote down all my feelings. And it's like, Okay, I did that. Now what? And? And so I'm still. I mean, like, I feel like this album about my trauma was a traumatic experience making and it's, I feel like I have to get over making this about me getting over some other shit. You know, it just seems like it's just some weird fucking cycle that doesn't end. But yeah, so I still don't know yet if the album was good for me personally, but I did make the best thing that I've ever made. So like, there's that but
right, you definitely had the the tortured artist vibes, right? Like Shakespeare break has a romantic breakup and writes Romeo and Juliet, and we're talking about it. You know, and I sincerely hope that people receive this album. Well, they're not. I hope that we're talking about you because of this, because one of one of the things that I will say to you, bro is, um, yeah, you are closer, you are closer to being, you know, over the hump than you are behind it. Right? That acknowledgment of everything that you've gone through, and being able to communicate the way that you feel is such a big fucking deal. And being able to just get the fuck over it, right? And because it's not about getting the fuck over, it's about making yourself resilient enough to know the cycle. And to inject yourself in the pattern. Right? For me, it's I'm never not going to be angry. If somebody was something that pisses me off. I hate uncertainty. You ever ask somebody something? Like, like, Okay, you're you've ever been talking to a woman, you'd be like, oh, let's go with you and me. And she's like, Oh, I don't know. I don't know. Those immediately helped me lose interest. Like you don't know. I don't know. I know people think like, oh, well, you know, a woman's supposed to be uncertain. Not a fuck you're not. You know what the fuck you want? That? I don't know, is a game. So stuff like that. I'm never gonna be you know, the type of person that loves uncertainty is like, Oh, this is so uncertain. It's fun. I don't think that's fun, right? I don't think that's fun. At least not with my relationships. I like to know where I stand with people. Let me say that. So when a situation happens, and I'm now in a situation where I don't know where I stand with someone, I've paid attention to how it can make you behave. Right? For example, if I don't know how to stand where I stand with a woman, I pull back, right? And I've had women to like, actually, not too long ago, this happened, right? woman looked at me she's like, well, you know, you don't really seem like you're into me. And I was like, well, it's not that I'm not into you. I'm just not I'm not overly asserting myself in a space where you seem uncertain. You get what I mean. Um, and that's kind of where I've learned to just go okay, well, this is how I am or if I want to make an experiment out of trying to change it. I will be real with the person about my feelings and and where I'm at and where I stand but I'm not going to attempt to go oh, well, you know, let me make myself love uncertainty. I don't like it for a reason, right? I don't like uncertainty. Well, same reason most people don't like uncertainty. But I can deal with uncertainty in my career just not with people not within my relationships right. So that being said, bro, I think you making the album allows you to know your patterns. Right? Sure. This shit happens when me and my girl all the time like now now I don't mention some other stuff. No, get back to it ain't got to know my business, me and my girl to tell them this happens, right? We we get into these, these spaces where I may say something and I go back to them like you know what? My bad that was not directed at you, that was about 12 year old me really referring to something you did that reminded me of this person. And it makes some of those more subconscious reactions, more of a conscious understanding. Right. Um, and that's the beauty of the boat, you know yourself better than other people know you right now. You get I mean, I think the great conundrum is people who don't pay attention to their trauma, people who don't know their trauma, and people don't know who don't know their patterns. You can observe them for a month or three months, and you'll know that you'll know them better in that three months than they know themselves. Yeah, so yeah, you're definitely I think, I think you're in a great place, bro. Um, what are your goals for the album? Any sales goals, any numbers, goals?
Christopher Leon 25:56
I mean, no numbers. I mean, my, I mean, my goal for the album is to get a Grammy. But the thing like, in the meantime, I really just want to do live shows, live shows are the most important thing for me. Right now, just because I know that this album is an experience. It is a roller coaster that you that you have emotionally and I think that it will be even more powerful with me looking you in your eyes performing this. And, and you being able to not only hear the emotion, but like see it, you know, to be honest, I'm totally down with like, being the grown ass man who cries on stage in front of everybody, just to let everyone else know that it's okay to do that.
Yeah, I think that's perfectly fine. You know, like, right. I'll cry in front of you. You can't beat me up, though. So who?
Christopher Leon 26:55
Exactly. But um, yes. So I just know right now my my biggest thing is, I'm just doing live shows. That's it. I want to I want to have as many moments with people as I can with this.
I bet. Do you have any live shows coming up? And if not, where do you typically do your shows? Do you normally stay in California? And do you travel around?
Christopher Leon 27:15
So around LA? I did my first show in December 11. And I have my next show was in Dallas, Texas on the 12th of January. And then I'm doing two more shows in March here and another one in February. So I do have some Yeah, if you're in the California area, you can you can definitely pop up anyone who's listening. But um, yeah, so um, I do have shows and my plan is to get more, you know,
I Okay, so now, one of the things that I do like about your album is it hits me a lot like spoken word. Right? Let's moreso talk about your style here. Right? We've talked about the content and all that stuff. But your style of rap is a reminds me a spoken word from this standpoint of, you know, it's energetic. The the beats always seem more calm and chill. But you bring all the energy to every single track, bro. Is that intentional? Or is that just something that that has happened?
Christopher Leon 28:24
Yeah. What's What's weird is the, like, whenever I was like producing it. I didn't have like an exact plan. You know, like a structure for it. I knew where I was trying to get to in the album, but I didn't know like, what it was going to sound like. So I was just while I was producing, I was just trying to produce the way I was feeling you know, and, and then whenever I would get something whenever I would get just like a loop that I liked to something that I liked. I was like, Okay, that's good enough. Now I can like tell the story. So the production was very, it was like very second priority, to be honest, because like the story, the main thing is I want to tell you what's on my mind. And so I was just yeah, when I was making these beats, I was just trying to get something that made me made me feel that type of way. And then once I did that, that's how the production came about, man.
So what's really interesting about that, that that tells me that you as an artist, man, you sway the room when you do concert Do you probably have really good audience control because you know, one of the things I learned from doing spoken word from you know, being a rapper when I was a rapper. Don't go look anything up. I'm from Brooklyn, everybody's a rapper from Brooklyn, New York. I got some tracks we could listen to that privately but I'm putting that being said, bro is like you really got to read the audience and you got to tell when people aren't feeling something and how you Need to, you know, line up your next track? Do you need to put more energy into a certain hit all of those things. But from listening to you, that seems like something you have under control definitely in the album. But also, it seems like something you're conscious of. So when it comes to like swaying the audience in your live shows, how does the audience interact with you? How do they receive you?
Christopher Leon 30:29
They sit there very quietly until I give them permission to make noise, to be honest with you.
Listen, that is such a. That's so so much control, bro. That's
Christopher Leon 30:41
yeah. Um, no, for real, like I did. I mean, so the first time I like performed the album, I did seven of the nine tracks, and I performed it on the 11th. And it was, you know, half the people, half the people that were like friends and loved ones. So they had heard the album, like, once before, whenever I was like playing it for people, everyone else had no clue. And even the people who had heard the album, they heard the early version back, like in August when I first started it, you know, so um, so no one like really knew what was going on. So whenever I'm on stage, and I'm going through and the, you know, the album is set up as a story I want, I don't want people to skip around, I want people to press play, and then don't touch it for 30 minutes. It's just, it's 30 minutes. Don't touch it. That's that's how I wanted it to be. Because it is like a full store. It's a full episode. And so I perform it just like that. And then so yeah, just to see me on stage, selling all these people about all my baggage, and they're just sitting there like, barely breathing, you know what I'm saying? And they're like, they're trying to figure out times when they can clap to make me feel better. I'm up there. I'm getting emotional. I'm pacing around. I'm looking crazy. Yeah, so with this one, it's more like a right now, it's just very jarring for people to hear on this because it's so new. Which is kind of cool. Because it's like to sit there and like, Listen, you know, but I am excited for the days whenever, like people like do know, like the the, you know, the cache lines of phrases and stuff. And they and they join it. But right now I do. I do love that. I'm like, like this is this is my story. Let me let me tell you something
real quick, bro. Let me know when the concert is in California. Right in the hype. Man. I want to volunteer. Right because I definitely want to jump up and down.
Christopher Leon 32:32
Yeah, for sure. For sure. Like that,
man. Okay, so now let's talk about the other side of this right? We talked about you going on tour, you obviously have your distributions down. I was able to see you on Shopify, I was able to see you on title. The business end of releasing an album right because shit ain't nothing for free. And there you know, God be damned if you went through all of that trauma for free and somebody didn't. Yeah. Um, so that being said, what advice do you have for artists that you know they want to get on Shopify? They want to go on title they need to figure out you know, that end of it? Where would you tell them to start?
Christopher Leon 33:19
Oh, well look, that's like so simple. You're any like new artists who are looking for it. There are so many platforms, distribution platforms. I myself use a distro kid. Right? So and if you if you just use something simple like that, it'll get you on literally every platform. And it's I mean, it's like 40 bucks a year. So
you know, fuck do this that's cheaper than repost by SoundCloud. SoundCloud is 144 a year I just paid for that. And now you make me feel bad.
Christopher Leon 33:54
Yeah, it's no it's like yeah, just it's so easy to get I mean distro kid and there's so many others but when it comes to Shopify, like literally I just looked up a YouTube tutorial on Shopify, I had some friends who made like a pro, a website, they helped me out. So I mean, like when it comes to getting your music out there that's the easiest part because it's so accessible nowadays, right? But yeah, that just distro kid and be on all platforms. Don't be just a SoundCloud person because some people don't listen to SoundCloud be on Spotify, be on title, you know, like be everywhere. Right?
I definitely agree with that. So bit on the business side, we call that omni channel marketing. And you definitely want to do that as artists as artists, I should be able to reach your shit everywhere, right? Like the default thought is, oh, I can get you on Spotify, but I can't get you on Apple Music This is ghetto, right? I hate when I go to listen to Jay Z shit. I listen. I only use title because of right but If you're not home level, and I'm not knocking you, I would go anywhere to listen to this album. But it's not home level. Don't expect me to show up and run your shit up on a playlist. We're out the only so you got to make sure that you have different segments of your audience. There may be somebody else who only listens to Apple Music and maybe somebody else who only listens to Shopify. There may be somebody out there who still fucking with Pandora, God help you, right? I hate Pandora bro. Like the idea of my choosing my music for me. Like how do I want to hear
Christopher Leon 35:35
now me too, but I'm on it. I don't like it, but I'm on it. You know?
It's the same thing that I did with the podcast. So I definitely agree with you there. I also so now you have Shopify, right? Is there any sort of, you know, intention to get into merch? Any sort
Christopher Leon 35:54
of? Yes. Okay. Yes. So the reason that I made the Shopify is for merch, if you anyone who's listened and you can follow me at Christopher Lyon music, but like, I have, like a set up a link tree. The first button you click goes to my Shopify, which is where you can find the merch for the we're all healing. Yeah, and that was the entire point of making a Shopify
that I share something with you that um, allow you to lessen your overhead moving. Alright, so Shopify is constantly how much right now? 30 a month for how many products?
Christopher Leon 36:36
One to report.
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Christopher Leon 37:07
Oh, snap. Right, dude. That's what's up.
Thank you. Yeah. So I wanted to share that with you. And any of our listeners out there, right? Because we are no podcast is about authenticity and business and all those things. So you're in the music business, I bet you listen to Dorian at to frickin repeat, right. But when it comes to like E commerce, everybody runs to Shopify, because Shopify has visibility. Shopify is not the most cost effective, though. Okay. And so that's where you kind of you're at, if you want to get cost effective, or you only have a couple of things, and you're just starting out, you want to, you know, get a little bit cheaper option, which I don't always recommend, right? Sometimes quality and your brand is more important than saving yourself, dollars. But if you have 999, and you can just cross over a domain, you don't save yourself about 20 bucks a month. And that's it. Yeah, you know, you can at least go get a decent vegan burrito with that.
Christopher Leon 38:08
Not for sure you can so no thanks for that dude.
No, no, definitely, definitely. Um, so merch is good. going on tour, right? So you definitely going to have places to, to you know, share the merch. You're doing PR right now and right. Hopefully, you're going to be doing some other podcasts, bro. Like, I think we need to hear the story like your album is just so fucking powerful. And this is me giving you my real honest opinion album is so fucking powerful. There's a there's a lot of artists that I know that have really dope fucking shit. There's you my boy in Brooklyn, punchy beef, right? Like, eat contribute. Yeah, Punchy. He has some really good shit. But he's he's really getting started with a che he's on SoundCloud. And then my other brother I know down in North Carolina, his name is Ali. Right? So on Instagram is it's just Ollie. Right? Dope albums, real people real content, sharing real struggles and all of those things. And I'm looking at the music industry like knuckle notice T's Yeah, I don't notice these type of people and I mean I get it right like obviously you got to grind out obviously you got to make a name obviously you got to make a buzz. But you know my concern with the music industry is the people who make a buzz normally have gang backing and can floss like they have made it already. Right. So for example, we get well you from California from LA Draco ruler just passed Yeah, so there may be another person that had been, you know, that may have grown up with Draco. That was on stinked team and or whatever. And I'm not saying this is true, I this is all conjecture, but this is the observance, this is normally the pattern somebody comes along, they're, you know, they're from the neighborhood. Now they get to floss like they've made it that makes fans like them. And it's like, fuck is that the real shit, though? Yeah, like is that, you know, the person is being inauthentic from the beginning, right? Like, so? Is that the real thing? That's where my concern comes in, is it? Have we learned how to hack the music industry? To where, you know, we have drill rappers that, you know, to just go in and make music about, you know, gang banging or whatever, and, you know, everything is everything. But, you know, have we hacked it to the point where we realized this is how we can get people to listen. And if you go this route, then you'll you'll be great. You'll be famous. But, you know, we may never get a J. Cole again. Yeah, that's where my fear is. Do you see going that way? Or, you know, what, what are your thoughts about the music industry in general?
Christopher Leon 41:21
I mean, we're, you know, now now everything is, you know, it has been for years, but like microwave songs, you know, just quick, quick turn around quick two minute songs. People just want just there to catchy lines to pop on tick tock. I feel like most music nowadays is bored just today, meaning like literally today, and then tomorrow, let's move on to something else.
Or as you just went on was talking album,
Christopher Leon 41:53
wish he had that. I mean, as an artist who doesn't like that type of music, it's very disheartening. But yeah, but I am still at like, to my core, I am a concept album, storyteller about real shit. And so, like, it's disheartening to know that it will, it would for sure get less shine than than something else. But also, I do know that a year from now and five years from now and 10 years from now, my album will still be able to get some emotion out of someone. And I can't say that for anyone else. And at the end of the day, I'm an emotional last person. So that's my goal is to put emotion back into music so that people can actually feel it.
Listen, bro, I don't got no fucking issue with that. I think it shouldn't show amazing. But I really do want people to go listen to your shit so they could listen and not think that I'm just over here writing you didn't pause.
Christopher Leon 42:54
I appreciate you.
But I mean, okay, so we talked about no the way that the industry is going. Who's your favorite artists right now?
Christopher Leon 43:07
I'm Gambino Childish Gambino I go on a rotation my my two top it's Childish Gambino and Mac Miller. And then Kanye rotates from first place to third place. You know, Kid Cudi? I was raised listening to like Eminem, so I don't listen to him as much now, but he's just like, in my bones, you know? So I'm like, uh, yeah, so early Eminem. 50 is what like, helped me, like, get into it. But no, right now, Mac Miller Gambino, and Kanye are my top three.
All right. So that's actually not a bad list, right? Like pretty lyrical people. pretty talented. Pretty. Pretty good on a production and music room. Right? And that, man, listen, as you go listen to this album, you're in for good music, right? I wouldn't lie to you. I will say to you know, how do you feel about you know, the draw rappers? How do you feel about more of the, the unconscious rep the, the the chef geez, the you know, obviously I'm going Brooklyn right? Because that's who I know I fuck with Brooklyn dudes a lot. So chef G you know, we got Fabio foreign K flock just got locked up for murder. He does Bronx drum music, right. So they took the Brooklyn drill sound and they just little bit more lyrical. How do you feel about that music? How do you feel about that wave as it's coming up.
Christopher Leon 44:42
I like the beat. I have a love hate relationship with it. Sometimes I really liked the beats and the sound and sometimes I'm like, it's not for me. When it comes to artists, I know Fabio and that's like it. Like in that like genre.
Storytime did it for you, huh? Yes. That was the one that did it for me. I was on the fence was five years into it. I saw him. I was like, Yeah, I don't know if I like you or don't like you. Right? Yeah. Right. Like he had awesome ambition, right? I think his ambition as a boss, look up the track you could go look at Yeah, and I heard that one where he told the story. I was like, Yo, this dude is fucking fire. He could rap like that, and he don't.
Christopher Leon 45:26
Yeah, and also, um, his feature on Donda off the grid with Kai. That was crazy. I think that's one of the best features on the whole album. But yes, so when it comes to that sound, it's like, I do want to to be honest, I want to like tinker with it and experiment a little bit with it and like, make it more into something that I could do, because I do enjoy the sound. Yeah, I just don't know much about it to be honest.
Huh? Okay, bro. One of the things that I've noticed with that, that movement is you know, I love the sound you know, DRUM MUSIC typically has something to do with more of the gang. The gang lifestyle. But it always has the more like, English beats, right? Like so the UK beats love everything about it. For me, I love everything about it. I think that like, I think these guys are bringing back hip hop. Right? Like I think they're bringing that there was so many years that it was just really fucking trash and music, bro. Like we we went through a really trashed music. Where it was when is Kendrick gonna drop the album? When is Jay Cole gonna drop an album? When is fab going to drop another mixtape? Right? Like, there was so many years of that, that when we finally got into, you know, drill, and I'm sitting here and listening to I didn't really fuck with Chief Keef when he first came up. Yeah, right. But as I even listen to King Vaughn, King Vaughn has a, you know, some really dope tracks where he's telling his stories. I think the tragedy comes in, right, because we've mentioned some names now. We've mentioned names, you know, people that were murdered people that have gone to jail. I think the tragedy comes in where I realize all the people listening to this music don't love these artists, right? They don't love the artists like we used to love artists back in the day when Biggie and POC died. We stopped killing rappers for years, bro. Yeah, yeah, no, like, there was so many years that rappers was dying of old age and drug overdoses. And now here we are, again. Where? Oh, no, we killing rappers again, like and we want it at such a fucking highest succession. You know, unless I was going to be the type of rapper you are. I wouldn't want to be a robber. And then I wouldn't. I wouldn't want to do that, because I know who my people are. And I don't think I could resist the urge to fall back into that lifestyle. And it's sad. Because I'm sitting here thinking like, I wish that people did love them more. Yeah, right. Like, I hope that Draco, the ruler dying is the last death of a California rapper for a while. Right? And I wish that people just kind of accepted these artists. But what it seems like is everything's becoming so local. And the artists are really gangsters now. So they're really doing it to each other and they're not nobody's there's no big homies. Nobody's telling him like, Yo, chill out, bro. You can't you can't kill them. What the fuck going on at the concert? On the street? Like nobody would have knew anything. Right? Um, but that I think that's kind of what's sad. It is really sad to me because you're I looked at it. Draco the ruler, and these are dudes are like, our age, you get what I'm saying? It's not like we were fucking years older than these. Like, this is my fucking age group, bro. Yeah, so it just makes you fucking number one and make me paranoid. Everything makes me fucking paranoid. But then also, you know, my best friend got shot last year, as just like, man, we don't love we don't love our people like we used to. So I'm glad that you're putting out music that makes us feel and I'm glad that you put out the music that you do because I really feel like we need to have more love for artists. And we need to get back to that place where because we love our artists. We want to see them be safe. You know, that's something that just really saddens me when it comes to our music because I'm a hip hop fan. You know, hip hop really saved my life. And what it what I'm noticing is that it's becoming life ending for So many people, they probably just want it to save their life. But that's enough of that
Christopher Leon 50:08
feeling man, that's that's just deep. She was deep. I, you know, I, I do listen to one of the things that like turns me off. Mostly about digital rap is like the violence of the gang life in it. And it's just because I do not. Like, I just don't like a line with that I didn't have get like my ship. My gangs was like black and white. I live in a small racist town. So like, there weren't gangs, it was just white people didn't like black people. So like, I just didn't, I just didn't you I wasn't the overarching gay. Yeah. So, you know, like, I just don't know about the, you know, I've got like family members that I know, about, you know, but I was never like, live in any of that stuff. So it just, it's never resonated with me. And also, I just, and also I do look at it as like, it's so messed up, because they are talking about their real life. But also that is making other people want to live that type of life because they think that that's the type of life you need to make it.
I will be honest, I don't I think a lot of these Drow rappers will live very long, if they stopped doing the things for clout. Yeah, there's a lot of things that, you know, I think we've learned to do for clout. And what happens with these DRO rappers is all your gangsta. So because you call it a body because you caught your arts, your ops slipping. You got to tell people about it and your music. Everybody's listening to the music. The feds are listening to the music. Yeah, if the Feds don't get you, then, you know, the app will you know a fan that just like somebody that you killed will I mean it, but as well. The thing with the gang life is it's it's much like the military, right? It's the same as the military you it's young men who have been conditioned because this is what I signed up for to just do that thing. You know, I mean, and you know, I don't I don't think it's fair, you know, I wish that I didn't have to see brothers go. But at the same time I in this is even for my best friend that just got shot last year, right? When when this whole situation runs down. I realize I respect that man. And I got to back hits play right? This man told me he had to go get a piece. And I've never do this is MMA fighter all those different things. I've never said those things. So I really do hope that we get back to a place of just man to man respecting the fact that yo every man is dangerous. And nobody is more dangerous than a policy right like nobody like somebody that you think is policy we like oh he but he's bonds he's scared. That is the most dangerous man on the planet. Right? Because they're going to take you out because they fear you Yeah, forever that's really my biggest issue with it but at this point in our podcast normally do story for a story bro. So you got to tell me this story. Let's go wild and crazy, right? You told me a crazy story I tell you a crazy story we share stories.
Christopher Leon 53:42
so let's see last year just on topic last year and Pandemic lost my job trying to figure out how to get money I got a plug who's gonna let me sell weed for nice by the pound big pounds and allegedly and so I found out that my I was in a I was in a situation where there was something going down like just a deal going down and I was there I was in the front seat of a car with people in the backseat driver's side all that I hear from behind me and you know what this is running. And I remember hearing that and thinking No fucking way and and I looked to my left and there was a gun it was this white gun with like a pink Extendo clip. I don't know if guns phone or what kind of gun it was but what point it is this. It was pointed at my dome and bow The dudes in the backseat. Yeah, just had the had the guns on us or like run it give me give me all your ship they had there was like a third dude who was waiting in the car he came, he came to the passenger window, rip my chain off my neck just like the movies like literally just smash that shit went through like a fanny pack on was going through my shit. All That Jazz. And this was me. I was like in the game for like two months. Okay, and then this happened. And I remember they took all this shit. It was it was like two pounds. So it was like 3500 bucks. Debt. And then I remember thinking, I was like no, the rest of that day like, like, holy like, what kind of fucking situation was I addressing? And and then I remember like that day I was I just hit up the person. I was like, Yo, I just want you to know, lost a couple pounds that pay you back right now. And also this is my resignation. Because this shit is not from and so. So I got I got in I got in it. And then I got out of it pretty quickly.
Okay, so because everybody has a story about a time that they have tried to do something like that allegedly. I'm very similar story around the same time. I was not. I've never been robbed. Right. But that's, you know, never say never. Right? Yeah. Just didn't put myself in those situations. Right. But this is this is what goes down. Right. So this is the first time I got access to both this much money and this much wheat at the same time, allegedly. Right. And you know, I had spent the past year growing, going out to LA going into SESAC such as you know, how sashes are in LA? I'm not sure if you've been to and if not let me know we could go together much safer environment. Right. So this night, I say you know what? EFF it. We got the we got no green, we got tree, but we also got some shrooms, right? And my girl was like, Oh, I never done shrooms before. All right, cool. Let's take you on your trip. Let's take you on your first. Right. Yeah. But, you know, I like doing everything extra. So I take her to a hotel in Beverly Hills. Right. And, you know, we darken the room, turn on lights, all this stuff, you know, normal normal tripper stuff, right. And she starts feeling she goes, I want to go for a walk. Typically, I would say no. This time. I did not. Right. So now we're going on a walk. And, you know, besides the the joint that I have in my hand, I'm pretty straight. And she's tripping. Right? Yeah. Quite literally this time. So we started walking. Now we're in Beverly Hills, mind you. We find this nice low note area. And broke. Did you know that have one bedroom apartments for 18 115 100 and Beverly Hills? I did not. Yeah. So we find this fucking spot. We're like, Yo, we should just get our office out here. Talking shit. But then we started looking around like this place look weird. And she's tripping so weird to her is really weird. Like, it's like a maze. She's going through her shit. I'm like, okay, so maze. Keep walking. Yeah. So as we walk in, we come up on this dude. outside smoking a cigarette, and shorter, you know, when you meet a man, but you know, like, there's nothing intimidating about him at all. Like it was one of those. So we were rapping. I was like, Oh, what do you do? This is what I do the, you know, she's having her first room trip. Right? This and that. And so we just keep pushing. He starts walking with us, right? So he's now walking, but she's tripping. So it's past midnight, and we start walking, we turn up we go straight. And we're just talking walking. He goes, Oh, now I don't want to go down there. That's Culver City. Right? At this point. I look up she's walking up like she's walking faster than us. I'm like, yo, I gotta catch up to her because I wasn't here for you. It's here for her right? Yeah. So we're seeing like little raccoons. Then we look at the tree He there's like a plug coming out of the tree like a wall outlet in the tree. I don't know if you've ever seen that right? Like, what the fuck is this like a movie set or some shit. So now we're near her really like what the fuck is going on? He was really adamant about not going to Culver City, we shouldn't go to Culver City. So we start heading back we come back around on Rodeo Drive, we're walking still and she goes, we gotta go. We gotta go to the hotel and gotta go get grab everything go. Right and it's her trip. So even though I've just spent fucking $400 For this fucking Hotel. Right? Yeah, cuz if I'm gonna go, bro, if I don't do it often, but if I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go, right. So, am I fucking Let's go. Right? We get in the room, right? ditched the dude. She go. I don't even see when he walks off. So we get in the room. We ditched him. She goes, he was frat.
Like, what? She was like, Yeah, we were in a maze. And he was a rat. Like everybody in here is like brats and I was like, What the fuck are you talking about? She was like no and amazed they were watching us in the maze they sent them out to the maze so that we could be monitored. I was like, what type of conspiracy right so we got in the car and I just like listened to her story about how this dude was a rat. But I couldn't argue with her because you ever hear because it's like this is kind of good and it makes sense it lines up right at the same time this sounds crazy as fun so that that was a her first trip walking around back Beverly Hills and we just was like yep, all of this shit is staged. But even though the one bedroom apartments for like 15 180 100 It was like what the walk sounds good. Yeah. Listen right around the corner from the fucking Rolex store and for our restore 1500 $1,800 apartment saying what now we have homeless people in Beverly Hills. LA is not what it used to be.
Christopher Leon 1:02:19
Yeah, they everywhere right? And yet the prices are still just as high
about a bit. So for those who listen and go check out Christopher Leon's album we are all please write I don't cosign everything and I don't co sign anything but I definitely fuck with this album. And say gonna be the last time we chat bro. And yo, yeah, make sure you grab my number hit me up. We definitely got to be you got to fuck around for everybody. Anything you want to leave our listeners Whitman.
Christopher Leon 1:02:52
know if y'all want to follow me on social media. I'm on everything at Christopher Lyon music and then just all music platforms Christopher Lyon. I hope you all enjoy the Have y'all enjoyed the album? I really put my heart into it.
I know gonna be great